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Religious Conservatives and Family Values! June 12, 2008

Posted by joshuachayne in Culture, Religion, Uncategorized.
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Religion conservatives often claim to be champions of family values. Many religious conservatives consider the nuclear family to be the bedrock of society. They also view the nuclear family as being ordained by God. Some religious conservatives view same sex marriage as an attack on the ‘traditional family’.

However, Jesus defined the family in terms of the Kingdom of God. Those who partake in the Kingdom and follow His ethics and help to bring about this transformation of society are family. As many Christians would see it, those in the Body of Christ or in the Christian Community are the family. Jesus viewed family as community thus viewing family as transcending biological and familiar barriers. Jesus’ community and family included Jews and Gentiles alike as well as the outcasts of society; prostitutes, lepers, and tax collectors. Some of Jesus’ critics accused him of being anti-family for his radical redefinition of what constitutes family.

In Matthew 19 verses 11 and 12, Jesus says that not everyone will marry. He acknowledges that there are eunuchs who were made that way, those that were born that way, and those who chose to be that way for the sake of the kingdom. He says that it would be hard for some to understand this. Was Jesus recognizing the castrated, homosexuals, and celibates?

In 1st Corinthians Paul does say that each man should have a wife and each woman should have a husband (and that they shouldn’t with hold sex except for fasting) but he wishes that more people were celibate like him. He stresses in verses 39-40 that marriage is not wrong or a sin but he recommends celibacy.

Yet many religious conservatives think that everyone should be heterosexual and should get married and rear a family. Many religious individuals continue to think that there is a soul mate out there for everyone despite what their own religious texts might say to the contrary.



1. revromansky - September 23, 2008

Jesus never recognized homosexuals as a legitimate population. Jesus believed in the Old Testament, which hands down condemned homosexuality. Homosexuality gets its own chapter in Romans 1, where it is condemned.

“if anyone doesn’t provide for his own is worse than an infidel”. 1 TImothy 5:8

“Male and female created He them.” Genesis 5:2

Please understand that Christians value family and family values because God does.

I don’t condemn anyone to hell, yet I discern sin. Homosexuality is one such sin. Homosexuals are not exempt from Jesus’ unfathomable love and grace. The part that most homosexuals have an issue with is “repent”, not “be saved”, yet we must repent to be saved.

I hope this answers your question which I hope was not meant to be rhetorical.



2. joshuachayne - September 24, 2008

Hey RevRomansky!

Thanks for commenting and feel free to comment anytime even if you completely disagree with my comments!

If Jesus believed in the laws of the Old Testament why did he save the adulterous woman from being stoned to death? By the laws of Leviticus she was suppose to be stoned to death.

If he followed the OT laws why did he heal on the Sabbath (work on the Sabbath was prohibited right?) or heal/touch unclean people (such as Lepers)?

Weren’t the Pharisee’s partly upset with Jesus because he did break some of the OT laws?

I believe what Jesus did and said has preeminence above everything else written in the Bible and illuminates the real mind and will of God.

Who was Jesus referring to when he spoke about eunuchs who were born that way?

Romans talks about men and women going against their nature, perhaps it is talking about heterosexuals experimenting with homosexual sex. Perhaps it is wrong to experiment outside your orientation. Science seems to confirm that some individuals are naturally homosexual.

Some believe that many of the passages in the Bible about homosexuality are really referring to male prostitution. It was common during that time for pagan groups to engage in selling young males as prostitutes in their temples.

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah isn’t all about homosexuality like people think either. The towns people wanted to gang rape the angels. So it wasn’t about gays in consensual relationships. Yet Lot wanted to offer his young virgin daughters to be gang raped instead. First, if the people were strictly homosexual why would Lot think that they would want his daughters? Second, is it really more moral to gang rape young virgin females than to gang rape adult males? Aren’t both actions heinous? Lot was suppose to be the only righteous man in the town. After the cities are destroyed his daughters get their dad drunk and have incestuous sex with him so that they can have children. The whole story is immoral and offensive by our standards today. Other Prophets in the Bible reflected on Sodom and didn’t mention homosexuality as the sin that caused its destruction.

3. revromansky - September 24, 2008

Jesus was offering forgiveness to the woman caught in adultery. He told her to stop her sinful behavior and did not excuse it.

He healed on the Sabbath because He is Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is subject to Him, not He to it. And there were exceptions, like getting your livestock out of a ditch, or healing a man.

Eunuchs born that probably had undescended testicles.

Romans 1 in no way states what you’re purporting. Homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, and any other unclean sexual behavior is explicitly and repeatedly condemned in the Bible.

Lot wasn’t righteous, he was related to Abraham. God answered Abraham’s prayer to rescue Lot. Interestingly, one of the great sins of Sodom and Gomorrah was false weights and measures.

There’s really no way around it. Homosexuality and lesbianism are wrong from a Biblical paradigm, and expressly condemned by God.

Now, Jesus forgives all sin. Gay people can be saved if they repent of their sin and believe in Jesus as their savior.



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